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Several of my fellow bloggers and I have decided to crosspost our ideas concerning the woman with six children who just delivered octuplets. I’ve tried to not read their posts because I didn’t want to be influenced, but I did end up getting sneak peeks at Dr. Bate’s and Dr. Rob’s posts. I agree with both of them … although I think I’m approaching the issues from a different perspective.
Please visit their blogs and consider leaving comments … do you agree? Disagree? Why? Let’s have an interesting, civil exchange of ideas concerning this rather controversial event.
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Dr. Bates from Suture for a Living |
Dr. Rob from Musings of a Distractible Mind |
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Robin from Survive the Journey |
Carrie from NeoNurseChick |
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Fat Doctor Fat Doctor |
Barbara Duck The Medical Quack |
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Dr. Cris Cuthbertson Scalpel’s Edge |
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I’ve never made a secret of the fact that I’m a very conservative person. We’ve had some really good discussions here in the past about abortion, suicide where Alzheimers is concerned, the ownership of guns … etc. … those of you who know me well won’t be surprised that I would begin by tackling this very ticklish issue before moving on to the others: fetal reduction.
I understand that a reduction might have made the pregnancy “safer” for the mother and the remaining infant(s), but seriously, in what manner was safety even part of the equation from the outset? Things were already so badly out of control once the ova were implanted that there really was no safe path to follow from that point. How many should have been killed? 2? 4? More? And which ones? Would the woman have simply been able to say: “Okies now, leave me one of each, and get rid of the rest”?
When I think of that sort of thing, I can’t help but picture an old farmer drowning the latest batch of kittens because he doesn’t want any more cats in the barn. People today would be outraged if they knew someone was drowning little kittens and puppies … but where’s the outrage when someone terminates the life of the tiniest and most helpless of our own species? They’re genetically unique individuals, who, if allowed to live, could grow into someone’s husband, or wife, or best friend … or even into someone who might have been able to heal some of the world’s problems. I feel that once a human child is conceived due to the actions of other people, he shouldn’t be the one to pay the ultimate price.
My own babies are now adults, and have become my precious friends. I don’t know what I would do without them. I was told to abort two of them, and wouldn’t. I look at them today and I remember what other people wanted me to do, and I can’t even begin to describe what I feel. Just because unborn babies haven’t shown you who they are yet, doesn’t mean that they’re not people.
And in summary: I don’t believe that we can arrogate the right to chose life or death for any other individual – at any stage of life. I know that a lot of you will disagree with me, some of you vehemently, and that’s fine. I don’t want to do your thinking for you, and I will respect your opinion. Please, if you’re going to comment, respect mine.
Funny thing – how a person who is simply trying to express what they feel so often seems to sound as if s/he is preaching when you don’t agree with what is being said, isn’t it?
Now … for the rest of the story …
In the last few days, bits and pieces of information about this woman and her living conditions have leaked out …
She’s unmarried, and lives with her parents in what we’ve been told is a 3 bedroom house. She has six other babies at home, the oldest of which is 7, and the youngest are a pair of twins who were born about two years ago. According to her mother, she’s been obsessed about having babies since she was a teenager, and conceived each of her children through in vitro fertilization. The grandmother told reporters that she was not supportive of what her daughter was doing, and that she had warned her daughter that when she got home from the hospital, “[She was] going to be gone.” 1
Now, seems likely to me that the young woman involved must have been a least a french fry short of a “happy meal” to not only do this sort of thing once, but to continue until she hit a double jackpot at the one-armed-bandit of the obstetrics world! A person can love children and babies to the point of foolishness, but even then – deliberately going on to have more in vitro babies after already having six, seems a bit over the top to me.
We don’t know much about her personally, and if the mother follows through with her decision and leaves, this young woman could be coming home to 14 kids to raise by her lonesome. Everyone who knows her says that she’s a good mother, and that, at least, is a relief, but I honestly don’t see how one person can give 14 children everything they need to be fully nurtured. I just hope for her sake (and her children’s) that she’s able to find a lot of helping hands … because in my mind’s eye, I can just about see the child protection people looking for excuses to “trim back the herd”. I don’t think their lives are going to be all that peachy and rosy … however I do wish them all the absolute best now that the deed has been done. It’s not the children’s fault.
The only individual I’m really perturbed with in this entire drama is the obstetrician who actually gave this woman fertility treatments! I’m assuming that her physician knows her well enough, if s/he’s going to agree to do this, that s/he’s aware that she’s been through successful implantations on 5 previous occasions. This was not a childless couple who were yearning for a baby of their own! This is a single mother … with 6 children at home, all under the age of 10! If s/he is the same one who did the other implantations, then s/he must also have had some idea that the woman would be likely to refuse a reduction if a ridiculous number of the ova actually took.
If the young woman wasn’t responsible enough to know when to quit, I don’t understand why the authority figure didn’t just refuse to be a partner in this insanity! Why wasn’t the obstetrician able to tell her:
“No! Absolutely not! I just can’t do that. It would be dangerous, you could even die and leave 6 children orphaned! That would just be crazy. In fact, here’s a referral to a very nice doctor I know that I’m sure you’ll like very much … ”
Someone in that room should have had the common sense to put on the brakes! It wouldn’t have stopped her from trying other doctors, but each well meant refusal would at least have given her enough time and information to realize that what she wanted to do wasn’t particularly wise.
And finally, I’m FrancoAmerican (of the Canadian persuasion), and I am not personally against having large families. My French Canadian ancestors all had (or tried to have) big families. The child mortality rate was so high that you had to have at least two or three if you wanted one to live into adulthood. The families lived off the land, and the older children helped with chores and taking care of the younger children. Short of some sort of disaster, no one was hungry. Although it wasn’t really that long ago, it was still a different world than the one we live in now. Now families of that size are very rare, and incomprehensibly expensive to maintain. Enabling this single woman to have so many children – and more than half of them in one swoop, is unconscionably reckless. The physician who caused this to actually happen is doing well to stay out of the public eye, I believe, but s/he really should have to do a bit of explaining to the powers that be.
Sean Hannity with Ainsley Earhardt … interesting points which I han’t heard anyplace else …
1) Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids









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