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		<title>By: Moof</title>
		<link>http://moof.blogsplot.net/2007/05/17/since-when/#comment-35247</link>
		<dc:creator>Moof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, are you not paying attention to the things you're writing, or are you just prone to Freudian slips? &gt;;o)

I don't have to reply to those disingenuous questions, Matt - the answers are already in my post, and in other posts I've already made. They're also in comments on other people's blogs - &lt;i&gt;with my name and linkback on them.&lt;/i&gt; You want an answer? It's already there. Help yourself.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Surely you have friends who you have a fundamental disagreement with on one issue?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course I do! Lots of issues, in fact. When we don't agree, we can have some stimulating and enjoyable conversations. Sometimes, one of us will actually play devil's advocate just to stir things up a bit.

However Matt ... you seem to have difficulty grasping a few concepts, since they seem to be a recurring theme with you:

You do not seem to understand the difference between a person being able to &lt;i&gt;condemn (or hate) injustice without condemning (or hating) the one(s) who is/are being unjust&lt;/i&gt;.

Are you aware that I have friends who happen to be lawyers, or that there are lawyers whom I admire and respect?

And you may feel that there's "nothing wrong" with someone having a "blanket hatred" of an entire group of people (Dude, that's scary coming from a lawyer!) but I guess that's just one more area that you and I will have to disagree on. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I agree with you on posts on lots of other subjects&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really? I'm not aware of which posts those might be. Perhaps they were the fluffy, fuzzy ones in which no opinion whatsoever was expressed ...? How long have we "known" each other, Matt? I remember arguing with you on DB's Med Rants and Rangel MD at least two years ago, and I'm not sure I remember ever seeing a comment you've written which I've agreed with.

But then again, perhaps you're right. You've mentioned before - I think it was on Dr. Flea's blog, that if we were to meet, that we would find "each other very pleasant." It needs to be pointed out though, that if we were to meet, I would still be who I am: what you see is what you get. You, however, would be out in the open for the first time, since I've never seen your blog - only the comments you leave on other people's.

And those comments, Matt ... are all I've had to go by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, are you not paying attention to the things you&#8217;re writing, or are you just prone to Freudian slips? >;o)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to reply to those disingenuous questions, Matt - the answers are already in my post, and in other posts I&#8217;ve already made. They&#8217;re also in comments on other people&#8217;s blogs - <i>with my name and linkback on them.</i> You want an answer? It&#8217;s already there. Help yourself.</p>
<blockquote><p>Surely you have friends who you have a fundamental disagreement with on one issue?</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course I do! Lots of issues, in fact. When we don&#8217;t agree, we can have some stimulating and enjoyable conversations. Sometimes, one of us will actually play devil&#8217;s advocate just to stir things up a bit.</p>
<p>However Matt &#8230; you seem to have difficulty grasping a few concepts, since they seem to be a recurring theme with you:</p>
<p>You do not seem to understand the difference between a person being able to <i>condemn (or hate) injustice without condemning (or hating) the one(s) who is/are being unjust</i>.</p>
<p>Are you aware that I have friends who happen to be lawyers, or that there are lawyers whom I admire and respect?</p>
<p>And you may feel that there&#8217;s &#8220;nothing wrong&#8221; with someone having a &#8220;blanket hatred&#8221; of an entire group of people (Dude, that&#8217;s scary coming from a lawyer!) but I guess that&#8217;s just one more area that you and I will have to disagree on. </p>
<blockquote><p>I agree with you on posts on lots of other subjects</p></blockquote>
<p>Really? I&#8217;m not aware of which posts those might be. Perhaps they were the fluffy, fuzzy ones in which no opinion whatsoever was expressed &#8230;? How long have we &#8220;known&#8221; each other, Matt? I remember arguing with you on DB&#8217;s Med Rants and Rangel MD at least two years ago, and I&#8217;m not sure I remember ever seeing a comment you&#8217;ve written which I&#8217;ve agreed with.</p>
<p>But then again, perhaps you&#8217;re right. You&#8217;ve mentioned before - I think it was on Dr. Flea&#8217;s blog, that if we were to meet, that we would find &#8220;each other very pleasant.&#8221; It needs to be pointed out though, that if we were to meet, I would still be who I am: what you see is what you get. You, however, would be out in the open for the first time, since I&#8217;ve never seen your blog - only the comments you leave on other people&#8217;s.</p>
<p>And those comments, Matt &#8230; are all I&#8217;ve had to go by.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://moof.blogsplot.net/2007/05/17/since-when/#comment-35235</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't have the expectation that no one could ever figure out what I said.  I prefer to not post all my personal info simply for privacy reasons, but I accept that with a little work and some computer knowledge it would be easy to figure out who I am and what I've said.  And I govern myself accordingly.

The reason you should reply is because that is what you are claiming and presumably you believe it.  If you believe that position has validity, then you ought to be able to explain it.  Let me put it another way - if you and I were in a car wreck, and we both claimed the light was green for us, yet I blogged "anonymously" that I knew it was red for me, should you not be able to bring that up?  Why should I be insulated from that statement simply because I use a pseudonym?

As for our agreements, I agree with you on posts on lots of other subjects, but your blanket hatred of all those who practice law is where I don't.  Nothing wrong with that.  I'm sure face to face we would find each other very pleasant.  Surely you have friends who you have a fundamental disagreement with on one issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the expectation that no one could ever figure out what I said.  I prefer to not post all my personal info simply for privacy reasons, but I accept that with a little work and some computer knowledge it would be easy to figure out who I am and what I&#8217;ve said.  And I govern myself accordingly.</p>
<p>The reason you should reply is because that is what you are claiming and presumably you believe it.  If you believe that position has validity, then you ought to be able to explain it.  Let me put it another way - if you and I were in a car wreck, and we both claimed the light was green for us, yet I blogged &#8220;anonymously&#8221; that I knew it was red for me, should you not be able to bring that up?  Why should I be insulated from that statement simply because I use a pseudonym?</p>
<p>As for our agreements, I agree with you on posts on lots of other subjects, but your blanket hatred of all those who practice law is where I don&#8217;t.  Nothing wrong with that.  I&#8217;m sure face to face we would find each other very pleasant.  Surely you have friends who you have a fundamental disagreement with on one issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Moof</title>
		<link>http://moof.blogsplot.net/2007/05/17/since-when/#comment-35228</link>
		<dc:creator>Moof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;if you prefer a world where you can simply say things and have everyone agree with you&lt;/blockquote&gt;

... my, wouldn't &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; be dull!

&lt;blockquote&gt;while I agree with much of you say&lt;/blockquote&gt;

... you have a very strange way of indicating your "agreement."

And Matt ... why should I reply to questions like:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why should people feel intimidated if they mean what they say? What are they afraid of? Why would you say something you didnâ€™t mean unless clearly in jest? And if you did mean it, why should you be insulated from its consequences?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

... from someone with a chronic case of anonymity? I find it difficult to understand where you even get the cheek to ask such questions! *LOL*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>if you prefer a world where you can simply say things and have everyone agree with you</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; my, wouldn&#8217;t <em>that</em> be dull!</p>
<blockquote><p>while I agree with much of you say</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; you have a very strange way of indicating your &#8220;agreement.&#8221;</p>
<p>And Matt &#8230; why should I reply to questions like:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why should people feel intimidated if they mean what they say? What are they afraid of? Why would you say something you didnâ€™t mean unless clearly in jest? And if you did mean it, why should you be insulated from its consequences?</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; from someone with a chronic case of anonymity? I find it difficult to understand where you even get the cheek to ask such questions! *LOL*</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://moof.blogsplot.net/2007/05/17/since-when/#comment-35215</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what if they pulled their blogs down?  Again, no one ever said free speech meant no consequences.  At least half of those people you cite pulled their blogs down because their employers wanted them to.  Why should people feel intimidated if they mean what they say?  What are they afraid of?  Why would you say something you didn't mean unless clearly in jest?  And if you did mean it, why should you be insulated from its consequences?

Hey, if you prefer a world where you can simply say things and have everyone agree with you, that's fine with me.  I'll not bother you then, as while I agree with much of you say, I doubt I, or anyone else, will ever agree with EVERYTHING you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what if they pulled their blogs down?  Again, no one ever said free speech meant no consequences.  At least half of those people you cite pulled their blogs down because their employers wanted them to.  Why should people feel intimidated if they mean what they say?  What are they afraid of?  Why would you say something you didn&#8217;t mean unless clearly in jest?  And if you did mean it, why should you be insulated from its consequences?</p>
<p>Hey, if you prefer a world where you can simply say things and have everyone agree with you, that&#8217;s fine with me.  I&#8217;ll not bother you then, as while I agree with much of you say, I doubt I, or anyone else, will ever agree with EVERYTHING you say.</p>
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		<title>By: Moof</title>
		<link>http://moof.blogsplot.net/2007/05/17/since-when/#comment-35210</link>
		<dc:creator>Moof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I've always wondered if you actually understood what a "troll" was. I guess you don't.

My given name is not hidden - and it never has been, however I go by Moof in my daily life away from my blog. My closest friends, my family, and my children all call me Moof, and my grandbabies call me "grammoof." Using Moof is far more honest than going by Doris, a name I only use when I have to sign some sort of official paperwork.

I guess that anonymity is also something you don't understand. When I comment on someone else's blog, I &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; leave a blog address, whether I'm giving them kudos, or a good roasting. And when they follow the link to this blog address, they're welcome to search for my "given name" - (and they will find it, along with my address, if they want it) - or to simply reply to me in a blog comment.

I am &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; anonymous. I personally stand behind whatever I say - wherever I go, and am freely accessible to those whose blogs I've commented on. I'm not like some cowards, who snipe at bloggers from the shadows, and then run away before the &lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;consequences&lt;/b&gt; of their own words catch up with them.&lt;/em&gt;

And Matt, I'm not going to touch the "free speech" issue with you. I'm going to sign off on that one by saying that better than a dozen med bloggers have pulled in their welcome mats, or closed down shop completely, in the last few months. Whether you're aware of it or not, there's a pervasive feeling of fear and intimidation across the medical blogosphere. That, my friend, is what I'm talking about. I won't address this subject with you again, so don't bother trying to goad me, but I didn't want to completely skirt the issue.

Why aren't you over on Kevin MD, or DB's Med Rants? I would think that the posts and comments on those blogs would be far more entertaining for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I&#8217;ve always wondered if you actually understood what a &#8220;troll&#8221; was. I guess you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>My given name is not hidden - and it never has been, however I go by Moof in my daily life away from my blog. My closest friends, my family, and my children all call me Moof, and my grandbabies call me &#8220;grammoof.&#8221; Using Moof is far more honest than going by Doris, a name I only use when I have to sign some sort of official paperwork.</p>
<p>I guess that anonymity is also something you don&#8217;t understand. When I comment on someone else&#8217;s blog, I <em>always</em> leave a blog address, whether I&#8217;m giving them kudos, or a good roasting. And when they follow the link to this blog address, they&#8217;re welcome to search for my &#8220;given name&#8221; - (and they will find it, along with my address, if they want it) - or to simply reply to me in a blog comment.</p>
<p>I am <em>not</em> anonymous. I personally stand behind whatever I say - wherever I go, and am freely accessible to those whose blogs I&#8217;ve commented on. I&#8217;m not like some cowards, who snipe at bloggers from the shadows, and then run away before the <em><b>consequences</b> of their own words catch up with them.</em></p>
<p>And Matt, I&#8217;m not going to touch the &#8220;free speech&#8221; issue with you. I&#8217;m going to sign off on that one by saying that better than a dozen med bloggers have pulled in their welcome mats, or closed down shop completely, in the last few months. Whether you&#8217;re aware of it or not, there&#8217;s a pervasive feeling of fear and intimidation across the medical blogosphere. That, my friend, is what I&#8217;m talking about. I won&#8217;t address this subject with you again, so don&#8217;t bother trying to goad me, but I didn&#8217;t want to completely skirt the issue.</p>
<p>Why aren&#8217;t you over on Kevin MD, or DB&#8217;s Med Rants? I would think that the posts and comments on those blogs would be far more entertaining for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://moof.blogsplot.net/2007/05/17/since-when/#comment-35153</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moof, I'm not trolling at all, unless you think everyone who disagrees with your take on all things is "trolling".  And it's pretty clear your claims are incorrect, since no one has had their free speech rights removed.  It just turns out that speech is not without consequences.  Surely you knew that?

Is your given name Moof?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moof, I&#8217;m not trolling at all, unless you think everyone who disagrees with your take on all things is &#8220;trolling&#8221;.  And it&#8217;s pretty clear your claims are incorrect, since no one has had their free speech rights removed.  It just turns out that speech is not without consequences.  Surely you knew that?</p>
<p>Is your given name Moof?</p>
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		<title>By: Moof</title>
		<link>http://moof.blogsplot.net/2007/05/17/since-when/#comment-35122</link>
		<dc:creator>Moof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if it isn't my old friend! I haven't seen you around in a while, but then again, I stopped following what you were saying on other blogs. It must be pretty slim pickings elsewhere if you're trolling my blog.

Good to see you're being a bit more honest by using your name now.

I'm not going to engage you in battle, since we're not going to agree. You won't convince me, and I know better than to try to convince you.

Isn't it something to have someone recognize you just through your attitude?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if it isn&#8217;t my old friend! I haven&#8217;t seen you around in a while, but then again, I stopped following what you were saying on other blogs. It must be pretty slim pickings elsewhere if you&#8217;re trolling my blog.</p>
<p>Good to see you&#8217;re being a bit more honest by using your name now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to engage you in battle, since we&#8217;re not going to agree. You won&#8217;t convince me, and I know better than to try to convince you.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it something to have someone recognize you just through your attitude?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moof is being overly dramatic.  No one's free speech rights have been taken away.  All that happened was that someone might have been questioned about their statements at trial.  You can still talk all you want, but don't pretend that your words don't have consequences.

Flea's scenario is no different than if I you and I were involved in a car crash, and each claimed the light we had was green.  If I claimed in an "anonymous" blog that I knew mine was red, why should that not be brought out at trial?  Short answer - it shouldn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moof is being overly dramatic.  No one&#8217;s free speech rights have been taken away.  All that happened was that someone might have been questioned about their statements at trial.  You can still talk all you want, but don&#8217;t pretend that your words don&#8217;t have consequences.</p>
<p>Flea&#8217;s scenario is no different than if I you and I were involved in a car crash, and each claimed the light we had was green.  If I claimed in an &#8220;anonymous&#8221; blog that I knew mine was red, why should that not be brought out at trial?  Short answer - it shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://moof.blogsplot.net/2007/05/17/since-when/#comment-35051</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I once had one doc tell me that he was convinced that my three other docs were â€œtrying to do away withâ€ me â€¦ imagine what a mean spirited person could have done with that! Wow! Iâ€™d be debt free, if I didnâ€™t have a conscience â€¦ and some lawyer someplace would probably have a new boat."

Imagine all you want - the answer is nothing.  Reality does not match your paranoia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I once had one doc tell me that he was convinced that my three other docs were â€œtrying to do away withâ€ me â€¦ imagine what a mean spirited person could have done with that! Wow! Iâ€™d be debt free, if I didnâ€™t have a conscience â€¦ and some lawyer someplace would probably have a new boat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Imagine all you want - the answer is nothing.  Reality does not match your paranoia.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Doctor</title>
		<link>http://moof.blogsplot.net/2007/05/17/since-when/#comment-33848</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat Doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm just cracking up that Dr. A referred to my blog as "high profile."  How wonderfully hyperbolic of him! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just cracking up that Dr. A referred to my blog as &#8220;high profile.&#8221;  How wonderfully hyperbolic of him! :)</p>
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