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		<title>By: Claudette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. Very interesting Blog. Not really what i have searched over Google, but thanks for the information.</description>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in my late 40&#039;s and have been diagnosised with AD. I have started taking the meds but they&#039;re not a cure. There is no cure.
I have had several months to think about this- Cruelty is not acceptable. To subject my family to AD is cruel. I love them and it should be my say. I deserve to die with dignity; to not be subjected to feeding, another taking care of my very personal hygiene or the many other indignities that are part of life for a person with alzheimer&#039;s. I feel God has turned his back on me, I can no longer trust him. The medical community has no hope to really offer me.
It&#039;s my life that is slipping away.
How can a society find that I have the right to kill my unborn child with the assistance of a medical person, but not to kill my self when my life is over. An unborn child has a future; I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in my late 40&#8217;s and have been diagnosised with AD. I have started taking the meds but they&#8217;re not a cure. There is no cure.<br />
I have had several months to think about this- Cruelty is not acceptable. To subject my family to AD is cruel. I love them and it should be my say. I deserve to die with dignity; to not be subjected to feeding, another taking care of my very personal hygiene or the many other indignities that are part of life for a person with alzheimer&#8217;s. I feel God has turned his back on me, I can no longer trust him. The medical community has no hope to really offer me.<br />
It&#8217;s my life that is slipping away.<br />
How can a society find that I have the right to kill my unborn child with the assistance of a medical person, but not to kill my self when my life is over. An unborn child has a future; I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choice- of course.  My personal belief is that I would rather not die in  a bed full of pee, not able to understand what is happening.  I do not want any religious person to ever make a choice for me.  

People talk about doctors as healers and paragons.  Not so so much about those who do not follow their Hippocratic Oath to do no harm- there are doctors who deny care on behalf of the insurance companies, doctors who write up policy for insurance companies, and doctors who just plain should not be doctoring.  If a patient would like a choice, there ought to be a doctor somewhere who can help.  Kind of like helping a woman end a pregnancy.  There are some people who think that this is something important and valuable.  The point is all doctors are not alike.  There are docs who try everything to keep life going, those who are in the middle, and those who would wish that at their patients request they could help end suffering.  

Pain and suffering are not noble or necessary conditions for a human.  Think of childbirth.  It is no longer necessary to bring forth a child in great pain.  This is a good thing.

If I had AZ I would seriously think about ending my life.  Same as certain cancers and other conditions that would make my being here more difficult and ultimately less pleasurable for all involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choice- of course.  My personal belief is that I would rather not die in  a bed full of pee, not able to understand what is happening.  I do not want any religious person to ever make a choice for me.  </p>
<p>People talk about doctors as healers and paragons.  Not so so much about those who do not follow their Hippocratic Oath to do no harm- there are doctors who deny care on behalf of the insurance companies, doctors who write up policy for insurance companies, and doctors who just plain should not be doctoring.  If a patient would like a choice, there ought to be a doctor somewhere who can help.  Kind of like helping a woman end a pregnancy.  There are some people who think that this is something important and valuable.  The point is all doctors are not alike.  There are docs who try everything to keep life going, those who are in the middle, and those who would wish that at their patients request they could help end suffering.  </p>
<p>Pain and suffering are not noble or necessary conditions for a human.  Think of childbirth.  It is no longer necessary to bring forth a child in great pain.  This is a good thing.</p>
<p>If I had AZ I would seriously think about ending my life.  Same as certain cancers and other conditions that would make my being here more difficult and ultimately less pleasurable for all involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband is adamant that if he is ever given a diagnosis of Alzheimer&#039;s he will end his life. He says this because of his observation of people who were in the end stage of the disease and does not want to live like that. He helped found the Hemlock Society in Wisconsin. I went with him to the meetings and decided that I do not feel the same way. I decided I could not attend any more of the meetings as I was fundamentally opposed to their basis tenets.

I can only hope that my husband does not ever receive a diagnosis of Alzheimer&#039;s. 

Moof asks &quot;What are the moral, social and religious implications?

If you do think suicide would be acceptable, do you believe physicians should be allowed to â€œhelp?â€ Perhaps that would obviate the need for timing?&quot;

I think that people have the moral authority to decide when to end their life. I believe the means are available to end ones life without asking anyone else to help. I don&#039;t believe I could help someone end their life. 

To confuse the issue I do believe in withholding life support if that is what the patient wishes. My father had an extremely severe stroke and the neurologist told us that his chance of any recovery was nil. My Mother was aware of his concerns and said he did not want to live under the circumstances he was in. So we agreed to have the feeding tube withdrawn. He died within 2 days so the feeding tube may not have made much difference. 

The end of life decisions are often not clear cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband is adamant that if he is ever given a diagnosis of Alzheimer&#8217;s he will end his life. He says this because of his observation of people who were in the end stage of the disease and does not want to live like that. He helped found the Hemlock Society in Wisconsin. I went with him to the meetings and decided that I do not feel the same way. I decided I could not attend any more of the meetings as I was fundamentally opposed to their basis tenets.</p>
<p>I can only hope that my husband does not ever receive a diagnosis of Alzheimer&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Moof asks &#8220;What are the moral, social and religious implications?</p>
<p>If you do think suicide would be acceptable, do you believe physicians should be allowed to â€œhelp?â€ Perhaps that would obviate the need for timing?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that people have the moral authority to decide when to end their life. I believe the means are available to end ones life without asking anyone else to help. I don&#8217;t believe I could help someone end their life. </p>
<p>To confuse the issue I do believe in withholding life support if that is what the patient wishes. My father had an extremely severe stroke and the neurologist told us that his chance of any recovery was nil. My Mother was aware of his concerns and said he did not want to live under the circumstances he was in. So we agreed to have the feeding tube withdrawn. He died within 2 days so the feeding tube may not have made much difference. </p>
<p>The end of life decisions are often not clear cut.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no, its perfectly fine to mix up comments sometimes. I do it often. I knew you must have mixed me up with someone. I actually like these discussions where we all get to state our views and why. I hate the comments that get nasty and abusive but that hasn&#039;t happened. I find everyones views interesting and they give me alot to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no, its perfectly fine to mix up comments sometimes. I do it often. I knew you must have mixed me up with someone. I actually like these discussions where we all get to state our views and why. I hate the comments that get nasty and abusive but that hasn&#8217;t happened. I find everyones views interesting and they give me alot to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Schwab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sid Schwab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. I think I mixed up the comments of Cathy and intelinurse2b. Must be time to move on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. I think I mixed up the comments of Cathy and intelinurse2b. Must be time to move on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I havent mentioned anything whatsoever about anything being Gods will? I don&#039;t think God has anything to do with Alz. My views have all been stated from my personal experience, of being the sole cargiver of  my Alz. victim mother, for more than a decade. Watching and experiencing ever step, day by day of what Alz does to someone. 

My conclusion, is that although it is horrible, it is not reason enough to commit suicide. My fear is that, should suicide one day be allowed, it would eventually lead to euthanasia. 

I agree that there should be more, and better, ways to offer help and assistance to caregivers. For the most part mother was quite content with whereever she was at during the course of this illness. Very early stage is when it is harder on the patient. When they are still lucid, but have these periods of confusion or memory loss and they are aware something is wrong. Progressing beyond that they aren&#039;t aware of what is happening to them. 

My fear, for my future, is that I also will get it and my kids will see it and experience it. I don&#039;t want to kill myself I just don&#039;t want them to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I havent mentioned anything whatsoever about anything being Gods will? I don&#8217;t think God has anything to do with Alz. My views have all been stated from my personal experience, of being the sole cargiver of  my Alz. victim mother, for more than a decade. Watching and experiencing ever step, day by day of what Alz does to someone. </p>
<p>My conclusion, is that although it is horrible, it is not reason enough to commit suicide. My fear is that, should suicide one day be allowed, it would eventually lead to euthanasia. </p>
<p>I agree that there should be more, and better, ways to offer help and assistance to caregivers. For the most part mother was quite content with whereever she was at during the course of this illness. Very early stage is when it is harder on the patient. When they are still lucid, but have these periods of confusion or memory loss and they are aware something is wrong. Progressing beyond that they aren&#8217;t aware of what is happening to them. </p>
<p>My fear, for my future, is that I also will get it and my kids will see it and experience it. I don&#8217;t want to kill myself I just don&#8217;t want them to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: wandering visitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>wandering visitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Moof,
You&#039;ve raised some really good questions.

I think every person has the right to their beliefs, whether it be about how they choose to conduct their life, to what they feel about death and ending their life.  

Physicians try to relieve suffering.  At the bedside of a dying patient, we try our best to make their passing comfortable - as much morphine as they need to appear comfortable.  But to ask a physician to take a life before its time is to ask us to play God.  It does not seem right.

I would never be able to assist in a suicide.  It goes against a core belief, that all life is holy and should be cherished.  But given the great diversity among us, there are physicians who may truly believe that they are doing a greater good when participating in euthanasia.  After all, principles such as &quot;First, do no harm&quot; are just concepts - the interpretation of them differ greatly from person to person.

In the case of Alzheimer&#039;s disease, I agree with the points raised, that the patient usually does not suffer nearly as much as the caretakers or loved ones.  And while we may never find out, it is possible that the quality of life of these patients may not be as bad as we think - after all, we are using our measures of &quot;quality&quot; to judge another&#039;s life, which has been proven inadequate in similar situations (studies on happiness of lottery winners and happiness of paraplegics).  Perhaps, we, as a society, should create with more effective ways to help ease the burden of the caretakers, and increase the support for caretakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Moof,<br />
You&#8217;ve raised some really good questions.</p>
<p>I think every person has the right to their beliefs, whether it be about how they choose to conduct their life, to what they feel about death and ending their life.  </p>
<p>Physicians try to relieve suffering.  At the bedside of a dying patient, we try our best to make their passing comfortable &#8211; as much morphine as they need to appear comfortable.  But to ask a physician to take a life before its time is to ask us to play God.  It does not seem right.</p>
<p>I would never be able to assist in a suicide.  It goes against a core belief, that all life is holy and should be cherished.  But given the great diversity among us, there are physicians who may truly believe that they are doing a greater good when participating in euthanasia.  After all, principles such as &#8220;First, do no harm&#8221; are just concepts &#8211; the interpretation of them differ greatly from person to person.</p>
<p>In the case of Alzheimer&#8217;s disease, I agree with the points raised, that the patient usually does not suffer nearly as much as the caretakers or loved ones.  And while we may never find out, it is possible that the quality of life of these patients may not be as bad as we think &#8211; after all, we are using our measures of &#8220;quality&#8221; to judge another&#8217;s life, which has been proven inadequate in similar situations (studies on happiness of lottery winners and happiness of paraplegics).  Perhaps, we, as a society, should create with more effective ways to help ease the burden of the caretakers, and increase the support for caretakers.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wm H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is simple, suicide is not an option to be concidered by the patient or the loved ones. I form my opinion on my belief that there is a God, and although the Bible does not speake on mercy killing or suicide, it does speake on murder which these forms of death fall under. My family know my feelings on this so it is never to be an options in my life, but..if someone in the Medical field takes it upon themselves without our knowledge to pull the plug..........I thank them ahead of time and hope like hell they have a dream team when they face the final judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is simple, suicide is not an option to be concidered by the patient or the loved ones. I form my opinion on my belief that there is a God, and although the Bible does not speake on mercy killing or suicide, it does speake on murder which these forms of death fall under. My family know my feelings on this so it is never to be an options in my life, but..if someone in the Medical field takes it upon themselves without our knowledge to pull the plug&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.I thank them ahead of time and hope like hell they have a dream team when they face the final judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: intelinurse2b</title>
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		<dc:creator>intelinurse2b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, so back to suicide. Suicide has always seemed like an act of desperation by someone who is expressing hopelessness and despair with their loss of control over their situation. So if someone committed suicide because of an Alz. diagnosis, my heart would break for them because they felt so helpless and hopeless and I could not relieve that suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, so back to suicide. Suicide has always seemed like an act of desperation by someone who is expressing hopelessness and despair with their loss of control over their situation. So if someone committed suicide because of an Alz. diagnosis, my heart would break for them because they felt so helpless and hopeless and I could not relieve that suffering.</p>
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